In this episode, we talk to Becca Powers about prioritizing ourselves, making choices that serve us, and the overs and unders that lead to workplace burnout.
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Becca Powers is an award-winning Fortune 500 hi-tech sales executive, best-selling author, speaker, and Founder and CEO of Powers Peak Potential. In her 20+ year career in sales, she’s worked for large companies including Cisco, Dell, and Office Depot, achieving President’s Club 7 times while leading teams of 110+ and hitting $500 million in annual revenue. Becca intimately knows the struggles that have come as a cost to her high achievements. Through nearly losing it all, she was forced to discover a more supportive and sustainable path to success that she now teaches to others. She founded her consulting and coaching agency to help high achievers and high-performance sales teams obtain skyrocketing success without sacrifice. Through workshops, seminars and her signature coaching program, Becca works with individuals and organizations to create sustainable change by training them to thrive from the inside out without the cost of compromise.
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4:49 I'm my biggest cheerleader. I've been in sales a long time. You know, “I know, I can do this.” And so that mantra, that attitude, is something that is one of my strengths. But it also became my greatest weakness because I powered through situations that were actually breaking me down. And I ignored lots of what I call signs and symptoms of burnout.
7:57 Burnout really starts in what I call the unders and overs...what I found is that 88% of the 1000s surveyed are feeling the Unders while they're working. And the top five unders would be undervalued, underappreciated, underpaid, underestimated, and under[recognized]. And when our unders are triggered, we go into overcompensation, which is why I call it the overs. And there's five primary overs as well. We overwork, we over stress, we overwhelm, we overextend as I mentioned in my personal story, and we overcommit, those are the five primary things.
9:40 When someone's feeling undervalued, what's really happening, the root cause of burnout is, they're feeling unsafe, you know, the core feelings, I'm not safe, I'm not worthy, I'm not valuable. You know, something's wrong with me, those feelings are triggered, which is why we try to hide them by overcompensating.
12:14 Our choices either serve us or they sabotage us.
14:41 If I was to give a tip or a tool, it would be prioritize. Give yourself permission to prioritize your wellbeing amongst all the other things you're prioritizing.
15:45 As I've interviewed people on burnout is the things that matter, most of them, their top priorities are often shifted down to levels 3-4-5-6. And so my answer to that is permission to prioritize your wellbeing and the things that are important, in addition to prioritizing the yeses and the work. So it's a movement towards both.
16:53 When I was first coming out of burnout, I call it one big boundary, but it was like, if saying yes to something else meant that I was saying no to myself, then I had to say no. And that was really hard because I hadn't yet turned inward enough where my validation came from within and my confidence came from within, like all of that I was still seeking outside me.
21:25 When someone's feeling under-something and then they're overcompensating, they're longing for belonging.
26:36 It's not a game of perfection. It's a game of progress.
28:44 I think that the biggest misconception [about workplace burnout] is that there's something wrong with us, there's something wrong with the individual. What I would say in the space of workplace burnout specifically, which is where I really spend majority of my study time, we have never and I say this we as a leader, have never really been taught the skills to help someone who doesn't feel valued or who is struggling with their self worth. There's not a coaching model for that in the workplace. And I feel like the biggest misconception is that it's the employees problem. It's everyone's problem.
31:51 What matters most to me right now is my health and wellbeing. I love being a mom. I love my husband and my projects and all that stuff, and I don't get to do any of it if I don't take care of myself.
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Okay, well, Becca, thank you so much for being on our show today, would you mind introducing yourself to our audience?
I would love to. So I'm Becca powers. I'm a fortune 500 sales executive, I am author of Harness Your Inner CEO. And I'm also a founder of power speak potential, which is a corporate consulting company.
So before we jump into talking about the topic at hand, which Allison and I talk so much about, which is related to sort of burnout, workplace burnout, more specifically, do you have any sort of personal connection to this that you might share with us in our audience?
I do I do. So I love to open up who I am. I always like, here's my titles, but actually, this is who I am. I have burned myself out probably at least five or six times in my career. But I, I like to talk about the time that I burned myself out the last time because hopefully, I learned enough from it that it's my last time. And my story starts and stops or stops and restarts, I guess is a better way to say it on the bathroom floor of all places, right? So, I had, was working as a sales leader for an organization that had a matching belief to mind. So as a sales leader, I love like putting people before profits and really getting behind that and so much so I think this happens naturally in leadership, especially but I started sacrificing myself for the company and spending, you know, creating 12 hour work days for myself and overextending myself and over committing myself getting my hands as in many projects as possible. And really just going full throttle like that for about three years. And, you know, in doing so, year, over year, I started losing the connection with my kids, I started losing the connection with my husband. I ditched self care, like, you know, my meal planning went out the window, exercise went out the window. And, you know, fast forward to the three years where I hit the bathroom floor.
I came home from work one day extremely exhausted just a bad day at work, which happens, right, but it was the bad day that had the cherry on top. And I get the kids in bed, we had my husband and I have a blended family of four kids. And then they were all in middle school that I mine currently are 18 and 20. And his are currently 18 and 20. So that gives you a little bit of an idea of what we're dealing with. So anyways, here I am, kids are in bed, I'm washing my face, so that you know I'm getting ready for bed. And all of a sudden, I hit the bathroom floor, like I didn't have any more energy to wash my face. I didn't have any more energy to pump myself up. Because you know, I'm, I'm my biggest cheerleader. I've been in sales a long time. You know, I know, I can do this. And so like that mantra that attitude is something that is one of my strengths. But it also became my greatest weakness because I powered through situations that were actually breaking me down. And I ignored lots of what I call signs and symptoms of burnout. And so here I am on the bathroom floor, completely powerless. And in that moment of complete powerlessness, I came in touch with what I call like, my, my personal power. And my instant miracle I asked the universe for help. I mean, I there's no other way to play it, play it. I was like, Dear God, I have not prayed to you for a long time. But if you come and help me right now, that would be really awesome. And I'll wrap this up real quick so we can get into more of a conversation. But what I realized at that moment was a couple of things is that A) I was powering through a situation without support, which is why things got so bad. And then B) once I was able to admit that there was a problem. I got an instant miracle right to the forefront, like forefront on my brain. I remember something a former VP of Sales told me which was Becca, you're the CEO of your life. So here I am powerless on the bathroom floor crying, praying to God, I don't know what's going on next. And then all of a sudden, I remembered that I was the CEO of my life. And in that Aha, I felt so empowered, because I was like if I'm the CEO of my life, then what am I doing on the bathroom floor? Right? And so anyway, my journey To understand burnout kind of started from that point and to heal from it.
And I think that your story, unfortunately, is so relatable. And I really appreciate the fact that you called out that, you know, being a high achiever is something that has gotten you to where you are, now you're super successful, you've had an amazing career. But it can be a shadow in such a big way, if we're not super tuned in and plugged in to what's going on. And because we have this perpetual, I consider myself a high achiever to just like this perpetual drive where it's like you just keep going. And unfortunately, it can be to your detriment in so many different ways. And I know you're super open with talking about just all of the things that you've experienced. And and now you're really digging into, you know, what causes all of this right? So can we kind of pivot this conversation you do a lot when it comes to like workplace and burnout and like what people can do what leaders can do. You've done a lot of research in this area, which I just, I know, Angela's gonna like geek out over, and I'm super excited. But would you mind talking a little bit more about this, and really how you outline this and so that those that are listening can really conceptualize this?
Yeah, I would love to. So I did. I surveyed 1000s of people on burnout. And what I found is that burnout really starts in what I call the unders and overs. And there is a root cause there that is in our lives in our shadow, and I have some certifications and shadow beliefs and Kundalini Yoga, which gave me a unique perspective to my corporate background, which kind of helped me unpack this in a in a cool way. But what I found is that 88% of these 1000s surveyed are feeling the Unders while they're working. And the top five unders would be undervalued, underappreciated, underpaid, underestimated, and under, I don't recognize or under appreciated, I forget which one I didn't say but those are all the core feelings. And when our unders are triggered, we go into overcompensation, which is why I call it the overs. And there's five primary overs as well. We overwork, we over stress, we overwhelm, we overextend as I mentioned in my personal story, and we overcommit, those are the five primary things. And there's some more stages to burnout, I say that there's five, but in those two, I think those are the two that are hidden. And especially in workplace culture, because we can see when someone's going to the doctor a lot, or if someone's going through a divorce, or if somebody's going through something very, you know, disease, even something significant, we could be, oh, maybe Sally's burnt out, or maybe we took this too far. But it's if you can just peel it back to like when the Unders are triggered. When someone's feeling undervalued, what's really happening, the root cause of burnout is they're feeling unsafe, you know, the core feelings, I'm not saying I'm not worthy, I'm not valuable. You know, something's wrong with me, those feelings are triggered, which is why we try to hide them, by overcompensating. So I'll pause there because that's a lot to chew on.
Definitely is right. And I know so many who are probably listening, you know, may feel some connection to this, whether it's, you know, even, you know, workplace-relate or otherwise, right, because we do have such a strong, you know, desire for connection and want to have, you know, that that feeling and that sense of so many aspects that we get from our role, whether it's, you know, professionally or otherwise, but specifically, in our jobs that potentially lead to, you know, a story like yours that I know, Allison and I can both relate to, to some degree. And it's, it's kind of wild that, then it's tied in with so many other aspects of our lives, that when given that space and time to reflect and really look at, we are able to uncover that, but I think that's something that it's so hard for people, right, so when they're stuck in this, how do you typically, you know, address or help people kind of get to that core sense of, you know, what, where is this coming from? What am I really tapping into? Why am I continuing to go down this route when I know this isn't healthy for me, help us understand sort of what you utilize to guide folks in that direction?
Well, I think the first thing I want to say is that it's because it's so natural, and so I can nature to cover those primary wounds that mean this stuff, it goes back to childhood, right? A lot of people power through, like in my example we power through them. So what I like to say is that our choices either serve us or they sabotage us. And so there are so many answers. I could say this, but for the sake of a podcast and the listener, and you're thinking, Oh, I might feel undervalued, or I might feel underpaid. You know, what are the choices that you're making, serving you or sabotaging you? And that's a deep question, too. But for an example, if you're, if you are feeling undervalued, but you're taking on more projects, and you're spending less time at home, is that decision really serving you or sabotaging you? And so I'll just use that as an example to answer the question.
Well, and, you know, I think there are so many things that you mentioned just there, but let's just call out the choice, right? And I think, for so long, for so many people, we felt like we didn't have a choice, right. And I love and we've talked about this with a couple of other podcasts guests, of how the pandemic woke us up, right, it really gave us the chance to pause and to evaluate, where are we what are we doing? Do we want to continue to subscribe to this life that we have in the way that it's happening and occurring around us. And for a lot of people, they made a brave choice to make a difference, or to make a make a change and to create a different life for themselves? How do we prevent it right from being a big situation like a pandemic that wakes us up? Like, what do you tell people like how? Because I think that's also a big part of this problem is that we go about life thinking like, Oh, it'll just get better. It'll get better. It'll get better, right? And then it's like, it's not getting better. It's only getting worse. We're only over committing more like, I'm the classic over committer, right? Like, I am a Yes, girl, I love it, right? Like I'm like, Yes, I can help. I can do this. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, exhausted, I can't do this, you know? How do we do? Or how do we guide people how to what do we say? How do we encourage them to just really keep a good handle on this, especially if this is something that maybe they've battled with before?
Yeah, I relate to that so much too, because even though I'm like super conscious of not putting myself in a burnout zone, because I am a yes person. I love opportunity. I love, you know, trailblazing and so many things. You know, for me, I think the answer to that is, you know, A), it's complicated because we're working in progress. But if I was to give a tip or a tool, it would be prioritized give, you're giving yourself permission to prioritize your well being amongst all the other things you're prioritizing. And I'll just use a personal example. When I go back to the bathroom floor, I had some things that were really important to me, I have my yoga practice that was really important to me, which was out the window, it was non existent at that time, I had kids in middle school that I really wanted to be more present with. But I was coming home at seven o'clock, because an hour drive time between where my work location was at home. So was I really present when I got home at seven o'clock. No. And I could just say like my kids, number one kids husband, like my home life was my number one priority. And then my second priority was my self care, my yoga practice and the food that I was eating. And those two things really fell to like level four or five priority in my life, which I think is also as I've interviewed people on burnout is they're the things that matter, most of them, their top priorities are often shifted down to levels 3456. And so my answer to that is permission to prioritize your well being and the things that are important, in addition to prioritizing the yeses and work. So it's a movement towards both.
Yeah, and finding that balance is so hard, like you're saying, because a lot of times when we are in that space of saying, Okay, I'm gonna give myself permission to do this, that sort of that inner voice might be saying, you know, don't do this, you know, this is where you get your recognition. This is where you get what you need, whatever that may be right, that you might be moving away from so that you can step into that self care because you're not prioritizing that in the same way that you do. It's skewed right, we have to recognize that we're a little off when we're putting all our eggs in one basket. And that's hard. It's so,
so hard. It's funny that you mentioned that because it's true. And then that goes back to what we were talking about where we feel like we don't have a choice, but we do so when I was first coming out of burnout. I said, I call it one big boundary, but it was like If saying yes to something else meant that I was saying no to myself, then I had to say no. And that was really hard because I hadn't yet turned inward enough where my validation came from within and my confidence came from within, like all of that I was still seeking outside me, Angela, like you were just saying. And so when I first stopped taking on additional projects, when I first stopped pulling, when I pulled myself out of committees, I cried, like, I was no longer like in the No, I wasn't the cool kid, I wasn't invited into some of those closed door meetings, and I, for a good month, didn't even know what to do with myself. But then once you push past that, then space, you know, time and space, I say open up, and then I found space to write a book and who would have thought I didn't have any time I already had a max calendar, right. But your priorities shift. And they shift into things that matter that are more meaningful to you.
It feels so good, because I did the same thing. So I've had I've had a few, you know, run ins with burnout over years. I'm sure everybody's shocked to hear that. Right. So but I had to do one of the very similar exercise where I looked at like all of the things, all of the boards, all of the committee's all of the volunteer stuff. And you have to I mean, I always wanted a mix, right? Like I wanted to sit on boards, I wanted to get back I wanted to go to the galas I wanted to be out in front, I wanted to do all the things. And I remember, like, sitting there going this list is absolutely absurd. How in the hell did it get to this point, right? And then it was just unsubscribe, I'm so sorry. I'm not gonna be able to do this one letter after another. And I I cried too. I was like, This is terrible. Like, how did I get to this point, but you know what happened? The world kept turning, they found other people to do the things that I kept saying yes to. And everybody's doing just fine. Like, so I think I don't know what I thought, I guess it was like, I gotta do it all because nobody else is gonna do it. Now there's other people that want to do it, you're just getting in the way, sometimes you gotta let them do it so that you can take care of yourself. But it's hard. You know, it really is hard.
And I think that, you know, it sneaks up on you in certain ways. But I think one of the things that you really said earlier that I want everybody to pay attention to is like, the more you stop doing the things that you need for yourself, the more space you're giving burnout to creep in. And like when you said like your yoga practice was out the window, you know, like, you know, plant meal planning all this stuff. Like, if I skip that stuff, like my whole week gets out of whack. And then it just gets wacky and wacky or wackier because I'm not doing things intentionally. So I hope everybody listening just at least takes time today to pause and think about what do you need to do for yourself, prioritize yourself giving yourself that space to prioritize, and then honoring that and respecting yourself enough to not allow it to sneak in. But you know, I know we've we've talked a lot about this. And burnout is such a hot topic. And I love that you've done all of this research, and you've got all of these nuggets of wisdom and tips and tools and suggestions for people. You know, when we think about burnout, you know, there's also a lot of friends that come to play, right? When there's burnout too. There's anxiety, there's depression, there's other things going on. So what do you recommend for people that maybe are listening? And they're like, wow, like, I understand this burnout there. But there's also all this other stuff? Like how do you talk to people about just prioritizing their mental wellness as well?
Yeah, I mean, as you know, mental health is a really big priority for me. And you know, as I think about burnout, and I and I think about how I want to answer that question, I want to bring us up through the stages a little bit first, too, because we talked about the Unders and the overs, but when we spend a lot of time in the Unders and the overs The next phase is I call it the longing for belonging. If we go into overs, and especially in the workplace, and our leaders aren't able to recognize and leaders aren't really trained in this stuff, right? So it's not like anyone's doing a bad job. You normally someone gets promoted, because they did a good job at the thing that they did. They don't know how to manage people, it's just the way it goes. But I say that because when someone's feeling under something, and then they're overcompensating, they're longing for belonging. They're somewhere in stage three, they don't feel like they belong anymore. And so if they're in that stage for too long, Allison to your point, stage four is where I call it like, all the all the bodies are hit. We're disharmony in the body, but that's the emotional body, mental body, spiritual body, physical body, and we're gonna see anxiety we're gonna see that's when I mean, just to be completely frank with everyone that is listening, the reason I'm so passionate about helping people heal from burnout, and more importantly, like understand it so we can get to the root cause is because by the end of those three years, I ended up with autoimmune disease, two anxiety disorders, and adult ADHD, all new to me. And I worked So if I could help anybody not get that far, that would be amazing. And you know, when you're in a space in a stage for where your anxiety and stress is really high, I, it sounds repetitive, and but it's, it's really where it starts is that permission to prioritize yourself. Like, the permission I gave myself was, and I still to this day, I do break it from time to time, but that's, it goes back to twice, I'm gonna say priority and choice. Like, for me, I know, my workday needs to end at 530 for me to be my best self, for me, for my family. And for my work. And I work hard. I love working like, Oh, I get so excited to do all my projects. But anyway, I mean, in bed at 530. So if here's an example for listeners, and this is what I mean by prioritizing and choice. So I know I need to prioritize my mental health and so my day needs to end at 530. However, if an opportunity comes up, I get to make that choice. Does this saying yes to this new opportunity that's going to take me out of my 530 rule, Serve me? Or does it sabotage me? And sometimes I know, I'm gonna get tired from saying yes. But it's a conscious, yes, you know, I'm gonna I'm doing it consciously. So it's not throwing me into an anxiety attack. I think when we get into that zone of overcommitment, it triggers a lot of the the mental health zone. So it's just being really conscious of how you navigate what to do get control back on those things. And I hope that answer made sense. And we can talk about it if you need more clarity.
No, I definitely does. And actually, as you were talking, I'm my wheels are spinning here. Because as as we start prioritizing ourselves, I know that I have experienced this many others I talked to is we get, we get this sense of guilt. And we always want to apologize, at least I know, I have done this so many times. And maybe you can relate to the point where we're not allowing ourselves to kind of like normalize the aspect of that self prioritization. So for example, you know, feeling feeling guilty or bad when I'm not in a meeting that was scheduled over my personal time that I blocked off, so that I could go do those things. And now I'm feeling guilty about that. And I'm apologizing for people who have who I'm just I'm not clear on my boundaries, maybe, or they're stepping into my space. And I'm not, you know, resettling those boundaries again, and saying, Hey, I'm sorry, I just can't make this I had already scheduled this time for myself. So I just, I hear so many people in the back of my head sort of chattering about that aspect, where it does become really challenging. And then you have that ebb and flow of sort of fighting yourself every day until you really get back into that sort of groove. Or maybe you just you're just learning how to do that, right? Because it's so foreign to you as to how you might even take that approach. But I just that popped in for me. And I think it's just so interesting, as you've probably worked with people who have a really hard time doing that, right, just like how to I can't even imagine. Right, getting to that point.
Yeah, it's really hard and guilt is guilt is a serious one. That brings us back to where Allison said, anxiety, stress comes from guilt. But I had one of my coaches telling me once guilt is a sign of growth. And I really like that, especially in this vehicle, that we're talking about burnout and prioritizing ourselves where it might not be a common practice for us the guilt you're talking about as a sign of growth, you're making a conscious choice towards yourself. And you're feeling guilty because your old self is like we should have done this. And you know, that you can then choose like, hey, again goes back like you're gonna I think that in that permission space, you're just permission to mess up a little bit too right? It's not a game of perfection. It's a game of progress. And you know, you're if you feel guilty and you want to experiment and say hey, I felt guilty I want to say yes, the next meeting and then you need to go take like a two hour nap out. When you get home from work because you overextended yourself. You might learn the lesson that like hey, next time I need to say no
Absolutely, and I love the just the sense of what I think was really helpful, at least for me and others I know is leaning into that super uncomfortable zone of, I don't know how this is going to make me feel that sort of expecting that, you know, you might feel like crap when you do experiment with something and it doesn't align or, you know, just leaning into that discomfort and saying, Hmm, why does this feel weird to me? Why does this feel so uncomfortable? Maybe it's not such a bad thing, right, like you said. The one other thing I wanted to also ask you, just because you've done so much interesting work in this area is, I find that, you know, because we've talked so much about burned out and we're burned out on burnout. In the last couple of years, especially, what do you find to be kind of the biggest misunderstanding around this topic, as it's, you know, gained so much attention, and we talk about it in and outside of the context of mental health and wellness, sort of as a, you know, paradigm in and of itself. But I'm just curious, do you have any thoughts or anything that you've identified that sort of lends to a lot of misconception or misunderstanding?
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Yeah, I think that, oh, my gosh, I could unpack that one for a while. But I think that the biggest misconception is that there's something wrong with us, there's something wrong with the individual. What I would say in the space of workplace burnout, specifically, which is where I really spend majority of my study time, we have never and I say this, we as a leader have never really been taught the skills to help someone who doesn't feel valued or who is struggling with their, you know, self worth. There's not a coaching model for that in in the workplace. And I feel like, the biggest misconception is that it's the employees problem. It's everyone's problem. I think, there needs to be better education, like how we're talking about now, for an individual be like, Oh, I can't permission to prioritize myself like that's, that's where the individual can help contribute to rising above it. And then from a leadership perspective, understanding that it is starting so much lower than the outward symptoms of like, oh, Sally just isn't participating in work meetings anymore, you know, there's something wrong with her. I would really love to stay the conception change from Sally's not attending meetings, like she used to saying, I wonder what's going on with her? And how can we help?
I hope that every leader listens to you right now. Because, you know, it's so important number one, that we take care of our people first and foremost, right? Like, I don't care what you do, what you sell what you offer, anything, your people are absolutely critical, and taking care of them and showing their support for them wherever they are in their journey and connecting them. And for some, it might be time to move on. Right. And that's understandable. But no matter what offering the support through that process, and certainly from a retention perspective, right, retaining your workforce is critical. And people need more support now than they did in the past. And life is not the same as it was was and they're juggling more responsibilities. Schedules are still very chaotic. People are returning to work, they're starting to react late to like their new quote unquote, normal, whatever that looks like. And for some, it's very overwhelming. And so what can we do as a workplace to support people? How can you help people that are those high achievers to prevent them from burning out? How can you just have a good workplace wellness concept and program and place and bring in people like yourself, that can help to shape culture because it will be a game changer for the organization, it will transform the lives of the people that work there, and they will be so grateful and hopefully stay for a very long time because they know they're very supported in the process. So Becca, I love that we got to have this conversation today. And one of the things that we ask everybody that comes on this show is at this point in your life, what matters most to you right now.
Becca Powers :
What matters most to me right now is my health and well being. I love being a mom. I love all my My husband and my projects and all that stuff, and I don't get to do any of it, if I don't take care of myself,
practicing what you preach, I like it the way we do. Now it's leading by example. And, you know, I think there are so many people who, you know, I think that that's obviously a struggle and to even listen to, you know, quarter of this and take it to heart and actually put it into action. I think as leaders, it's, it's rare. I remember the first time I worked with someone who actually saw their work life balance evolve, was like, mind blowing, as you know, a postdoc in a really competitive program. And I was like, what's, what's happening? What am I doing, prioritizing themselves in their family? This is not what we do. That's so foreign. But I'm obviously so important. And I'm so glad there are people like you out there. And I know all of our followers and listeners would love to be able to know where they can find you. Can you share how they can follow you either on social media or wherever we can track you down?
Yes. So if you're curious about your own burnout rate, right now, I do have a survey and you can go to Becca powers.com, forward slash burnout. But also on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, same handle at Becca powers. 1313.
I adore you. And I'm so grateful that we got to spend some time together. I want everybody to read your first book. And stay tuned for all the cool stuff that's coming from Becca in the very near future. We are blessed to spend time with you. We could have gone for like hours. Honestly, there's so much and I can't wait for you just to continue to share more nuggets around all of this burnout survey data that you've got, because it's enlightening and empowering for people. And really eye opening, right? It's number one, it's empowering for workplaces to say we've got to do something about it. Like we can't hide from this any longer. It's hopefully inspiring for other people to realize that they're not alone, and that they can reclaim their life, right, and they can really do something about it. And most importantly, it's continuing to have a conversation around something and going deeper so people can really understand and unpack in their lives where it's showing up so that they can have a better quality of life and really preserve their own wellness too. So Becca, you're amazing. Thank you so much for that. Thank you.